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The intent of the human cultists is not really to serve the fog itself as much as it is to serve monsters who are aligned with the fog. They bring in human sacrifices to keep the monsters fed, the monsters feed and rejoice in the fog. It is the monster side of the equation that aims to win more monsters to the side of the Fog, not through creating a safe space for the monsters in generally but for Fog Followers. The intent of Maya's act for the fog is to draw more monsters to her side by teaching monsters to accept the violence as a necessary step, not to minimize damage done to humans themselves. Simultaneously Maya would try and facilitate conversion of newbies to allyship with the fog, with one or more fog conversions planned to happen at the time of the feast, in imitation of her having already converted Adrian and assisted in Komaeda's conversion. That's where the service to the fog comes in, though I understand if The Fog still wouldn't recognize the conversions as being radical enough.
Before getting into the next bit, I'd like to link Madoka Kaname's previous tier ups, as they are what I have mostly been referencing since Madoka and Maya are similar in personality. In Madoka's tier 3, she specifically becomes a zealot by offering Fiddleford (I believe at the time he was a fourthie) as a sacrifice. My assumption in referencing it was that multiple human sacrifices would be as useful as a single monster sacrifice.
Maya was intended be working as the direct facilitator of those sacrifices especially in instances by which other monsters would need to feed off a living body, either through causing the injury they need to feed on or by using her voice to prevent them from escaping their monster attacker; I apologize that it was apparently unclear that this was the intent. The only thing she wouldn't have been an active participant in was the initial attack against the Vandaran fishermen. The idea of sacrificing the captured men in the Fog's name and the actual act of committing the sacrifice was meant to come from her. I assumed that active human sacrifice and use of the Merain cultists as an avenue to facilitate human sacrifice and other service to monsters would count as living at the expense of humans.
I'm not sure I understand the idea that it is too close established norms regardless of whether it counts as a tier up or not. As far as I previously understood, there was not a plot or service by which monsters would be capturing live sacrifices for others or for the Fog despite the existence of the soup kitchen, and from speaking with others I was under the impression many characters would indeed see the sacrificial feast as a radical move and judge Maya according to their own senses of justice. Similarly, Vandare was not chosen because of their hatred of monsters but because they are the only known population of fishermen, and thus the only humans causing direct rivalry to something that Maya herself benefits from. I would gladly choose other fishermen if that's another option, but again, I'm not sure that current IC sentiment reflects the idea that it is an easy target, as the newer crowd is much more sympathetic to humans due to a lack of recent acts of violence from humans against monsters. Even as far back as Atem's broadcast, the human targets were even scammers, and it still caused a ripple in the opinions of monsters. I chose the avenue of using the fishermen as an opportunity because it makes narrative sense rather than forcing a human sacrifice out of nowhere.
I hesitate to submit a revision even with the clarifications given because I am not certain that I understand the clarifications. And while I do have an idea for a priest tier up (a self-sacrificing move committed with the help of another Foggie in attempts to restore power to the fog or perhaps even to disable something of Elias's), this and previous answers suggest to me that it would not be a suitable replacement act for tier 3;
This answer, along with the Fog's IC answers to Maya when asking what she can do for the Fog, make me completely uncertain as to whether or not you are saying that direct involvement against Elias and his followers is required for tier 3, as even the answer you have given me here suggests that there is the alternative of human sacrifice available. The tier description itself states Tier three rewards are for truly devout followers, and it takes a great act to appease the gods enough to get here. Such acts might include a mass sacrifice of people...
While I am eager to accept that the standards may have changed since that excerpt was written, the only problem I have with Maya confronting Elias is that Maya is no where near as skilled or as powerful as anyone she could contend with on the side of the fourth, even with the boons given her by the Fog— and as demonstrated by this and previous tier up requests, if Maya collaborates with others she may be seen as not contributing enough. For instance, despite Maya dealing with significant, months-long fallout from the broadcast she recorded on Atem's behalf, it was deemed that her involvement was not considered strong enough initiative. With these considerations, I'm left uncertain of how to draft a tier up revision that works, as I was under the impression that my plans already met the stated standards.
To be clear, I am in no way rejecting the idea of revising this same plot to again clarify Maya's active participation, what I am trying to say is that your answer combined with the tier descriptions leaves me uncertain as to whether or not that would do anything to change the ruling, or if Elias absolutely must be a target in a tier 3 move-up, no exceptions. If that is the case as a result of the newest developments in Ryslig, I totally accept that, but I've been constructing these ideas as though that is not the case. Without such a clarification I have to be honest that this just kind of discourages me from trying at a third-ish-fourth-ish attempt at a tier 3 upgrade.
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To clarify: tier three requires either direct involvement against Elias and his followers, or direct involvement towards the Fog's aims.
Sacrifice alone, regardless of numbers, is not sufficient to meet this criteria. As you mentioned, Madoka tiered up with a sacrifice - but it was a sacrifice of a Fourth follower, which tied it directly into the war. Also, this was a long time ago, and took place under a different mod team: there is no defined rubric for god tier-ups, which are decided on a case-by-case basis, and the understanding of what is required has shifted along with the mod teams. We would caution players against leaning too heavily on older examples for this reason, and advise referencing more recent plots where possible.
The action does not have to be against Elias, but it does have to be in service of the Fog's aims. Despite what she may say to her followers, the Fog's priorities have always been less with the comfort and wellbeing of monsters, and more with their use as a weapon against the humans of Ryslig.
This kind of action in the Fog's favour might mean providing her with power, or increasing the overall fear of monsters among the human population. (Since in your plot, the main danger is the human cultists, this does not apply - it would rather increase the fear of other humans!) At Tier 3, we will not accept conversion from neutrality alone as an argument for the Fog's benefit.
We would also like to remind you of how the Tagevalgten plot ended. The Fog has made her position clear on human cults - she doesn't much care for them. She will not accept friendship with humans, no matter how murderous, as an act in service of the Fog. Humans are the enemy, perhaps even more than Elias, in her eyes.
TL;DR - no, not all Tier 3 plots have to be direct confrontations with Elias and his followers, but they do have to be in direct service of the Fog's greater aims, which include the terrorising of humans, garnering of power for the Fog, and defeating Elias.
We hope this helps!
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Would it be okay to move forward with this miniplot as not being a tier up attempt, and just like, a thing she does independently? Or is it that this move would actively UPSET the fog god re: reminding her of the Tage?
I think that Maya could be more easily convinced to make bigger moves for the fog with the presence of more fog followers on her personal side, and am VERY okay with this tier up not working if she can still Do the Monster-Community Thing
and if it IS okay to just do it not as a tier-up, am I misinterpreting by thinking I should make the I fishermen maybe not be from Vandare, or is that part alright too?
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This would not actively upset the Fog, and we would be happy for it to go ahead as a plot on its own, with or without the involvement of the Vandare fishermen! It just wouldn't please her enough for a tier-up.
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If you'd like to use it for flavor in a coming log i'm game to wait but if not, am I cool to go ahead and do this in the coming month in a smaller log, then?
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